lockner, just to make this point, 12 hours before this killing, this massacre took place was a man in china who went into an elementary school. maybe people saw it fleetingly on television. and he had a knife. he didn't have a gun. and he knifed 23 people. 22 of them children, at least at this point, at the time of broadcast, all survived. it was a knife. it wasn't a gun. >> right, right. >> gun control is the answer right now. >> right. >> you know, in the wake of columbine, schools did kind of take a look at what happened and made a series of recommendations that now are in place in most part of the country, that when a teacher learns of a plot, they immediately have to report it to somebody. they encourage children to do that. so there are a set of policies in place that perhaps have prevented these kinds of f factions from taking place. the problem you have among others, this is not a high school student. gerald lockner, not a high school student, once somebody leaves high school and goes to college or goes on with their life or they're depressed and potentially suicidal, there's less o